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| SSJ | Nov 23 2013, 03:50 PM Post #16 |
 
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Yeah my bad, I meant 260. |
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| EMIYA | Nov 23 2013, 03:52 PM Post #17 |
"I am the bone of my sword."
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Did you actually intend to have only a 1.08x difference between SSJ2 Kid Gohan/SPC and Power-Weighted Cell? |
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| SSJ | Nov 23 2013, 03:53 PM Post #18 |
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Indeed. I think PW Cell wasn't too far off from his Super form, he just had no speed to back up his power. |
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| EMIYA | Nov 23 2013, 03:58 PM Post #19 |
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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I'd have to disagree on that though. Let's say Buff Cell is indeed close to his SPC form, or at the very least has that 1.08 difference between him and Gohan. That's pretty much a good rivaling range, almost similar to the the one people might put between Goku and Freeza. We'll agree that Cell's lack of speed would be detrimental but it begs the question why Cell would've taken so much damage. Gohan literally kicks him once and in the manga its the face. At least the anime had him wrecking a blow straight to the gut. Yet this is enough to completely knock Cell senseless, put him to his knees and make him vomit up No. 18. It was easily the most devastating physical blow done to cell and it left him practically crippled. Even if Cell's speed can't catch up to Gohan, you'd think a guy whose power rivals Gohan would at the very least have the endurance to take a few blows to the face without choking up his lunch. Which is why I still have a pretty significant advantage between SSj2 Kid Gohan and Power-Weighted Cell. The guy just took too much damage from one kick to the face (and a guy who is basically 150% pure muscle at this point) for me to actually make the gap between them a rivaling range. |
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| SSJ | Nov 23 2013, 04:01 PM Post #20 |
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Hmm, nice post, you've convinced me. I think lowering him to he range of 215 would fit nicely with my list. Although as a small counter, Gohan really could have just kicked him so hard that it caused him to vomit. |
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| EMIYA | Nov 23 2013, 04:06 PM Post #21 |
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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Perhaps. Its one of the things I have to look into when I try to do these levels myself. For example we take SSj2 Kid Gohan vs FP Cell, where Gohan clearly has the advantage. But then we have Cell's punch that budged Gohan's head and knocked him back just a slight bit. More than say No. 16' spunch did Semi-Cell but less than what Semi-Cell's punch did to Vegeta. But then you have Gohan wrecking Buff Cell and it comes to the conclusion that if Buff Cell is getting wrecked that badly, then unless the gap between Buff Cell and FP Cell was already small to begin with, the gap between SSJ2 Kid Gohan and FP Cell would be even larger. Its one of those few times where I'd probably have the gap between two characters a bit larger than I normally would elsewhere. Where before I might have a gap of around 1.3x between FP Cell and Kid Gohan, I instead might do around a 1.4-1.5x difference and then drop to a lower (but still significant number) for Buff Cell and Kid Gohan. |
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| SSJ | Nov 23 2013, 04:10 PM Post #22 |
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SSJ Goku: 100 SSJ 2 Goku: 200 Cell @ Goku: 110 Cell @ Gohan (True Speed): 145 FP Perfect Cell: 180 Power Weighted Cell: 205 Super Perfect Cell: 260 SSJ Gohan: 130 SSJ 2 Gohan: 260 How does that look to you? The only problem is that with any of the lists I've made, Cell's power weighted form isn't getting a very big boost. Wouldn't you say that it's basically his equivalent of Gr 3? Although it would be nonsense to give him a boost as large as Gr 3. |
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| EMIYA | Nov 23 2013, 04:16 PM Post #23 |
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It's still a 1.13 increase, that's still pretty good especially when its basically just act of desperation on Cell's part. Its not a transformation or anything and in fact you might argue that its less about Cell's ki increasing and more about Cell's muscles increasing. Cell's already fighting at 100% of his power as it is. and let's say we use the SEG multipliers for SSj2 (though we could argue that because of the rage boosts, which is definitely implied later on in the series) Gohan's SSj2 is stronger than a regular SSj2. SSJ Goku: 100 SSJ Gohan: 120 (At the very least a 1.2x advantage over Goku) SSJ2 Kid Gohan: 240 This leaves a lot of room to put FP PC. Say 144 (1.2x advantage over SSj Kid Gohan at the lowest) to about 200 for Buff Cell (Again 1.2x lower than SSJ2 Kid Gohan) Though I'm sure you'll need to fluctuate the numbers around a bit. |
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| lunar2 | Nov 23 2013, 04:33 PM Post #24 |
 
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you guys are forgetting sometihng. by the time cell goes buff, he's already badly damaged from the beating he's taken. buff perfect cell isn't at full power anymore, he's past his peak because of the beating he's taken. so yeah, there should be only a small increase from fp cell to buff cell. now if cell was full power and went buff, he'd probably surpass even spc in raw power. |
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list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god | |
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| EMIYA | Nov 23 2013, 04:44 PM Post #25 |
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It's a reasonable argument to make and perhaps not something I'd argue velhemetly against. But at the same time I do feel that Cell reaching his maximum should not be impossible. The real issue would be his lack of control and time to use that power. Freeza took a huge beating himself and stated that he had al most died, but that didn't stop him from reaching his full power. The issue here was that Freeza could not hold onto that power for very long. I see it the same way with Cell, there's nothing to stop Cell from digging into his "full power" but the damage he's taken as well as the strain of the form is going to keep him from using it for a long period of time. |
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| lunar2 | Nov 23 2013, 05:48 PM Post #26 |
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frieza powered up to full power after being beaten. cell was already full power when he was damaged. there's a difference. besides, cell doesn't strike me as the kid of guy that has the same level of yuuki as frieza to pull off a stunt like that. |
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list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god | |
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| EMIYA | Nov 23 2013, 08:16 PM Post #27 |
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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While I personally disagree with it and see it as act of Cell powering up to his maximum even if only for a short time, its not necessarily wrong either so not something as I said I'd argue against. |
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